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    When love beckons to you, follow him,
    Though his ways are hard and steep.
    And when his wings enfold you yield to him,
    Though the sword hidden among his pinions may wound you.
    And when he speaks to you believe in him,
    Though his voice may shatter your dreams
    as the north wind lays waste the garden.

    For even as love crowns you so shall he crucify you. Even as he is for your growth so is he for your pruning.
    Even as he ascends to your height and caresses your tenderest branches that quiver in the sun,
    So shall he descend to your roots and shake them in their clinging to the earth.

    Like sheaves of corn he gathers you unto himself.
    He threshes you to make you naked.
    He sifts you to free you from your husks.
    He grinds you to whiteness.
    He kneads you until you are pliant;
    And then he assigns you to his sacred fire, that you may become sacred bread for God's sacred feast.

    All these things shall love do unto you that you may know the secrets of your heart, and in that knowledge become a fragment of Life's heart.

    But if in your fear you would seek only love's peace and love's pleasure,
    Then it is better for you that you cover your nakedness and pass out of love's threshing-floor,
    Into the seasonless world where you shall laugh, but not all of your laughter, and weep, but not all of your tears.
    Love gives naught but itself and takes naught but from itself.
    Love possesses not nor would it be possessed;
    For love is sufficient unto love.

    When you love you should not say, "God is in my heart," but rather, "I am in the heart of God."
    And think not you can direct the course of love, for love, if it finds you worthy, directs your course.

    Love has no other desire but to fulfill itself.
    But if you love and must needs have desires, let these be your desires:
    To melt and be like a running brook that sings its melody to the night.
    To know the pain of too much tenderness.
    To be wounded by your own understanding of love;
    And to bleed willingly and joyfully.
    To wake at dawn with a winged heart and give thanks for another day of loving;
    To rest at the noon hour and meditate love's ecstasy;
    To return home at eventide with gratitude;
    And then to sleep with a prayer for the beloved in your heart and a song of praise upon your lips.

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    Gibran,

    Does his work still get published with black crow books.

    peace,

    Dublin.

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    Had to go and look it up. Lol took me a good minute but I think I got you...

    White Crow Books?

    New to me and thanks for the lead

    Just up my alley brother Dub!

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    Lol ......... its been so long since I read stuff from there.

    White crow it is ........

    Amazing publishing house.

    BAf thats the sort of stuff that should be thought in schools.

    I am also a fan of Rumi ...........


    peace,

    DSF.

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    I just lifted this from the same site... humbling to say the least. Disclaimer: I'm not Christian.


    “The Sage and the Peacock” by Rumi


    A sage went out to till his field, and saw a peacock busily engaged in destroying his own plumage with his beak. At seeing this insane self-destruction the sage could not refrain himself, but cried out to the peacock to forbear from mutilating himself and spoiling his beauty in so wanton a manner. The peacock then explained to him that the bright plumage which he admired so much was a fruitful source of danger to its unfortunate owner, as it led to his being constantly pursued by hunters, whom he had no strength to contend against; and he had accordingly decided on ridding himself of it with his own beak, and making himself so ugly that no hunter would in future care to molest him.

    The poet proceeds to point out that worldly cleverness and accomplishments and wealth endanger man’s spiritual life, like the peacock’s plumage; but, nevertheless, they are appointed for our probation, and without such trials there can be no virtue.

    “There is no monkery in Islam.”

    Tear not thy plumage off it cannot be replaced;
    Disfigure not thy face in wantonness, O fair one!

    That face which is bright as the forenoon sun,
    To disfigure it were a grievous sin.

    ‘Twere paganism to mar such a face as thine!
    The moon itself would weep to lose sight of it!

    Knowest thou not the beauty of thine own face?

    Quit this temper that leads thee to war with thyself!
    It is the claws of thine own foolish thoughts
    That in spite wound the face of thy quiet soul.

    Know such thoughts to be claws fraught with poison,
    Which score deep wounds on the face of thy soul.

    Rend not thy plumage off, but avert thy heart from it
    For hostility between them is the law of this holy war.

    Were there no hostility, that war would be impossible.

    lladst thou no lust, obedience to the law could not be.
    Hadst thou no concupiscence there could be no abstinence.

    Where no antagonist, what need is there of armies?

    Ah! make not thyself an eunuch, not a monk,
    Because chastity is mortgaged to lust.

    Without lust denial of lust is impossible
    No man can display bravery against the dead.

    God says, “Expend;” wherefore earn money.

    Since expenditure is impossible without previous gain?

    Although the passage contains only the word “Expend,”
    Read “Acquire first, and then expend.”

    In like manner, when the King of kings says “Abstain,”
    It implies an object of desire wherefrom to abstain.

    Again, “Eat ye,” is said recognising the snares of lust,
    And afterwards, ” Exceed not,” to enjoin temperance.

    When there is no subject,
    The existence of a predicate is not possible.

    When thou endurest not the pains of abstinence
    And fulfillest not the terms, thou gainest no reward.

    How easy those terms! how abundant that reward!
    A reward that enchants the heart and charms the soul!

    This is followed by the admonition that the only way to be safe from one’s internal enemies is to annihilate self, and to be absorbed in the eternity of God, as the light of the stars is lost in the light of the noonday sun. Everything but God is at once preyed on by others, and itself preys on others, like the fowl which, when catching a worm, was itself caught by a cat. Men are so intent on their own low objects of pursuit that they see not their foes who are trying to make them their prey. Thus it is said, “Before them have we set a barrier, and behind them a barrier, so that they shall not see.” Persons who lust after the vile pleasures of this world, and desire long life, not to serve God, but to satisfy their own carnal lusts, resemble the crow slain by Abraham, because he only lived for the sake of carrion; or Iblis, who prayed to be respited till the day of judgment, not for the purpose of reforming himself but only to do mischief to mankind.

    Prayers to God to change our base inclinations and give us higher aspirations.

    O Thou that changest earth into gold,
    And out of other earth madest the father of mankind,
    Thy business is changing things and bestowing favors,
    My business is mistakes and forgetfulness and error.

    Change my mistakes and forgetfulness to knowledge;
    I am altogether vile, make me temperate and meek.

    O Thou that convertest salt earth into bread,
    And bread again into the life of men;
    Thou who madest the erring soul a guide to men,
    And him that erred from the way a prophet;
    Thou makest some earth-born men as heaven,
    And muitipliest heaven-born saints on earth!

    But whoso seeks his water of life in worldly joys,
    To him comes death quicker than to the rest.

    The eyes of the heart which behold the heavens
    See that the Almighty Alchemist is ever working here.

    Mankind are ever being changed, and God’s elixir
    Joins the body’s garment without aid of needle.

    On the day that you entered upon existence,
    You were first fire, or earth, or air.

    If you had continued in that, your original state,
    How could you have arrived at this dignity of humanity?

    But through change your first existence remained not
    In lien thereof God gave you a better existence
    In like manner He will give you thousands of existences,
    One after another, the succeeding ones better than the former.

    Regard your original state, not the mean states,
    For these mean states remove you from your origin.

    As these mean states increase, union recedes;
    As they decrease, the unction of union increases.

    From knowing means and causes holy bewilderment fails;
    Yea, the bewilderment that leads you to God’s presence.

    You have obtained these existences after annihilations;
    Wherefore, then, do you shrink from annihilation?

    What harm have these annihilations done you
    That you cling so to present existence, O simpleton?

    Since the latter of your states were better than the former,
    Seek annihilation and adore change of state.

    You have already seen hundreds of resurrections
    Occur every moment from your origin till now;
    One from the inorganic state to the vegetive state,
    From the vegetive state to the animal state of trial;
    Thence again to rationality and good discernment;
    Again you will rise from this world of sense and form.

    Ah! O crow, give up this life and live anew!

    In view of God’s changes cast away your life!

    Choose the new, give up the old,
    For each single present year is better than three past.

    This is followed by a commentary on the saying of the Prophet, “Pity the pious man who falls into sin, and the rich man who falls into poverty, and the wise man who falls into the company of fools.” This is illustrated by an anecdote of a young deer who was placed in the asses stable, and jeered at and maltreated by them.

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    Your alright neither was Rumi a Christian,

    His words are like silk ....... they expand the essence and then massage it.

    He was truly a masterful poet and bard.

    peace,

    DSF.



    Quote Originally Posted by builtaforest View Post
    I just lifted this from the same site... humbling to say the least. Disclaimer: I'm not Christian.


    “The Sage and the Peacock” by Rumi


    A sage went out to till his field, and saw a peacock busily engaged in destroying his own plumage with his beak. At seeing this insane self-destruction the sage could not refrain himself, but cried out to the peacock to forbear from mutilating himself and spoiling his beauty in so wanton a manner. The peacock then explained to him that the bright plumage which he admired so much was a fruitful source of danger to its unfortunate owner, as it led to his being constantly pursued by hunters, whom he had no strength to contend against; and he had accordingly decided on ridding himself of it with his own beak, and making himself so ugly that no hunter would in future care to molest him.

    The poet proceeds to point out that worldly cleverness and accomplishments and wealth endanger man’s spiritual life, like the peacock’s plumage; but, nevertheless, they are appointed for our probation, and without such trials there can be no virtue.

    “There is no monkery in Islam.”

    Tear not thy plumage off it cannot be replaced;
    Disfigure not thy face in wantonness, O fair one!

    That face which is bright as the forenoon sun,
    To disfigure it were a grievous sin.

    ‘Twere paganism to mar such a face as thine!
    The moon itself would weep to lose sight of it!

    Knowest thou not the beauty of thine own face?

    Quit this temper that leads thee to war with thyself!
    It is the claws of thine own foolish thoughts
    That in spite wound the face of thy quiet soul.

    Know such thoughts to be claws fraught with poison,
    Which score deep wounds on the face of thy soul.

    Rend not thy plumage off, but avert thy heart from it
    For hostility between them is the law of this holy war.

    Were there no hostility, that war would be impossible.

    lladst thou no lust, obedience to the law could not be.
    Hadst thou no concupiscence there could be no abstinence.

    Where no antagonist, what need is there of armies?

    Ah! make not thyself an eunuch, not a monk,
    Because chastity is mortgaged to lust.

    Without lust denial of lust is impossible
    No man can display bravery against the dead.

    God says, “Expend;” wherefore earn money.

    Since expenditure is impossible without previous gain?

    Although the passage contains only the word “Expend,”
    Read “Acquire first, and then expend.”

    In like manner, when the King of kings says “Abstain,”
    It implies an object of desire wherefrom to abstain.

    Again, “Eat ye,” is said recognising the snares of lust,
    And afterwards, ” Exceed not,” to enjoin temperance.

    When there is no subject,
    The existence of a predicate is not possible.

    When thou endurest not the pains of abstinence
    And fulfillest not the terms, thou gainest no reward.

    How easy those terms! how abundant that reward!
    A reward that enchants the heart and charms the soul!

    This is followed by the admonition that the only way to be safe from one’s internal enemies is to annihilate self, and to be absorbed in the eternity of God, as the light of the stars is lost in the light of the noonday sun. Everything but God is at once preyed on by others, and itself preys on others, like the fowl which, when catching a worm, was itself caught by a cat. Men are so intent on their own low objects of pursuit that they see not their foes who are trying to make them their prey. Thus it is said, “Before them have we set a barrier, and behind them a barrier, so that they shall not see.” Persons who lust after the vile pleasures of this world, and desire long life, not to serve God, but to satisfy their own carnal lusts, resemble the crow slain by Abraham, because he only lived for the sake of carrion; or Iblis, who prayed to be respited till the day of judgment, not for the purpose of reforming himself but only to do mischief to mankind.

    Prayers to God to change our base inclinations and give us higher aspirations.

    O Thou that changest earth into gold,
    And out of other earth madest the father of mankind,
    Thy business is changing things and bestowing favors,
    My business is mistakes and forgetfulness and error.

    Change my mistakes and forgetfulness to knowledge;
    I am altogether vile, make me temperate and meek.

    O Thou that convertest salt earth into bread,
    And bread again into the life of men;
    Thou who madest the erring soul a guide to men,
    And him that erred from the way a prophet;
    Thou makest some earth-born men as heaven,
    And muitipliest heaven-born saints on earth!

    But whoso seeks his water of life in worldly joys,
    To him comes death quicker than to the rest.

    The eyes of the heart which behold the heavens
    See that the Almighty Alchemist is ever working here.

    Mankind are ever being changed, and God’s elixir
    Joins the body’s garment without aid of needle.

    On the day that you entered upon existence,
    You were first fire, or earth, or air.

    If you had continued in that, your original state,
    How could you have arrived at this dignity of humanity?

    But through change your first existence remained not
    In lien thereof God gave you a better existence
    In like manner He will give you thousands of existences,
    One after another, the succeeding ones better than the former.

    Regard your original state, not the mean states,
    For these mean states remove you from your origin.

    As these mean states increase, union recedes;
    As they decrease, the unction of union increases.

    From knowing means and causes holy bewilderment fails;
    Yea, the bewilderment that leads you to God’s presence.

    You have obtained these existences after annihilations;
    Wherefore, then, do you shrink from annihilation?

    What harm have these annihilations done you
    That you cling so to present existence, O simpleton?

    Since the latter of your states were better than the former,
    Seek annihilation and adore change of state.

    You have already seen hundreds of resurrections
    Occur every moment from your origin till now;
    One from the inorganic state to the vegetive state,
    From the vegetive state to the animal state of trial;
    Thence again to rationality and good discernment;
    Again you will rise from this world of sense and form.

    Ah! O crow, give up this life and live anew!

    In view of God’s changes cast away your life!

    Choose the new, give up the old,
    For each single present year is better than three past.

    This is followed by a commentary on the saying of the Prophet, “Pity the pious man who falls into sin, and the rich man who falls into poverty, and the wise man who falls into the company of fools.” This is illustrated by an anecdote of a young deer who was placed in the asses stable, and jeered at and maltreated by them.

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    You feel me bro... I prefer these discussions stray from dogma and rather on the "essence"as you put it....

    Expansion... And... Contraction is the primary goal here friends

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    My belief system is tied with Druidism ......... more Polytheistic than Mono,

    But what the Hades, I see the same thing in all the so called spoken words.

    Now if only I could feel them rather than hear or fear them,
    then I might believe them.

    peace,

    DSF.

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    one of the greatest poets ever. I love your posts.

    If you are interested, the Prophet is great and short.

    Treasured Writings of Kahlil Gibran is even better. Just absolutely an epic collection. Huge book.
    Roll me up and smoke me when I die

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