ethics ??

[HomeLessBeans]

So you trade genetics. TRADE... you gave & you got. A trade between 2 breeders.
Not just growers , but breeders.

The only "request" is not to give clones out. That's it.

So you do not... so is anything else fair game at this point?

Not to me. I would still need permission to add it to any breeding projects, etc.


I assume 'give out' also means sell??..
i think some would slither thru that loophole

[outwest]

So you trade genetics. TRADE... you gave & you got. A trade between 2 breeders.
Not just growers , but breeders.

The only "request" is not to give clones out. That's it.

So you do not... so is anything else fair game at this point?

I am not a breeder, but again I think it all depends, and you can't assume much.

Let's say you gave out a cut of one of your proprietary cuts that you use for breeding stock only. That breeder can do a few things with it:

1) grow it and smoke it
2) grow it and smoke it and share it
3) Use it for breeding purposes
4) Give the cut out to others for all the above reasons

You stated that #4 was not an option so they won't do that. Let's consider 2 more scenarios:

1) They grow the cut commercially for their dispo collective
2) They use it in their own breeding programs

I don't know if the above items can be considered unethical if not clearly stated, but then again I'm not a breeder. I could see how a breeder could get upset if you used one of their proprietary cuts in your breeding program without permission.

outwest

[mrs_rare_dankness]

What if it wasn't "their" cut and got it from someone else?

What if these genetics were rare, but out there from another source that has decieded to start seliing clones?

[HomeLessBeans]

What if it wasn't "their" cut and got it from someone else?

What if these genetics were rare, but out there from another source that has decieded to start seliing clones?

For the first part? Who I get it from would have the say in what I do with 'that' cut.

If I felt the other source was a legit elite holder with thre rights of ownership? I would probaly buy from them rather than enter into a restricted deal. There are enough grey areas in this business

[sublime_buds]

Well, that changes the whole story now.
If there are clones available to public. Countless breeders/companies have/are building their stock on Clones they picked up from a dispensary.

Its beyond farfetched to assume nobody will breed with it if its out there as a clone.

It is 100% ok to use.

[mrs_rare_dankness]

interesting replies.

My personal answer, that if you give, trade, or sell genetics then you lose all ownership.
One will have NO say so in anything anyone else does with it.

(ie, if you gave, traded, or sold your car to other person, you have no right to tell them what type of gas to use,
where to take it to service, or where they can drive it)

[Dublinskunkfiend]

I understand where your coming from Mrs rare Dankness,

My two cents is that it has to be looked at in the sense.
The manufacturer holds the rights, If looking at it as the same as a car.
the garage / individual gives / sells / trades the product. but not the ownership of a company.

In the sense that I buy a BMW from a garage, I can not make another BMW, and claim it as my own.

peace,

Dublin.

interesting replies.

My personal answer, that if you give, trade, or sell genetics then you lose all ownership.
One will have NO say so in anything anyone else does with it.

(ie, if you gave, traded, or sold your car to other person, you have no right to tell them what type of gas to use,
where to take it to service, or where they can drive it)

[mrs_rare_dankness]

question #2....

You receive a 10 or 12 pack of beans. You pop only 3 beans. you get 2males/1female.

Do you give up? Or pop the rest?

And what is the average # of beans of 1 strain that you pop to find your keeper?

[Dublinskunkfiend]

I think on the second question,

It is like playing the lottery, all depends if your happy with winning with lets say three numbers, and get a small amount.
Or aim big and keep trying to hit the jackpot.

peace,

Dublin.



In relation to the first question. I would be of the belief, it is more of a moral question rather than ethical.

By moral standards of right and wrong conduct, the onus is on the holder, but the framework of ethics can be applied to try a standardise the moralistic event, which creates a circular argument. Hence it would lead one into begging a question.

for example,

If there is a god is he benevolent or malevolent.

[HomeLessBeans]

question #2....

You receive a 10 or 12 pack of beans. You pop only 3 beans. you get 2males/1female.

Do you give up? Or pop the rest?

And what is the average # of beans of 1 strain that you pop to find your keeper?

give up?? oh hell no

I pop 12 at a time. 12 is one legal patient here and I probaly do it by habit also. First run all females are keepers then I thin them down as yield and smoke determins.